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Post by Rakshasi on Mar 2, 2009 7:54:03 GMT 10
Tired of raiding with us brain-morons?? Want to attract more players like you to the guild? - Fix our recruitment spam!
I'd say our current message has more or less worn out its welcome... help us come up with something new!
"<War Machine> looking for good raiding healersh
(and shamansh) for more 25 woman content =).
*Very* mature and older playersh only, with a
team focus! Raiding nightly from 8:30pm sharp,
no minimum attendance ...hic!"
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Post by greeegit on Mar 2, 2009 12:57:05 GMT 10
To be blunt...I don't particularly like the drunken style of the message - I think it almost sounds like you're contradicting yourself by asking for mature raiders but then having a message written like that. I'm much more a fan of the simple guild recruitment spam - maybe that's just me. That's my thoughts anyway  |
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Post by sidara2 on Mar 2, 2009 17:00:51 GMT 10
It'd be good to put in our accomplishments - Naxx25 15/15, Sarth25+1D, EoE25, etc. I know we don't want progression whores, but it might serve to highlight that yes, sometimes, we do know what we're doing.
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Post by Rhodam on Mar 2, 2009 17:08:03 GMT 10
I would mention that we have cleared all raid content.
edit: Sid you beat me to it...
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Post by castus on Mar 2, 2009 18:02:31 GMT 10
I'll come up with something...
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Post by Apiecost on Mar 12, 2009 21:10:13 GMT 10
In the beginning there were a couple of casual raid teams, some PVPers and a warlock with a twitch. And the GM didst look upon them all knowingly, because they were very good. Some of the hunters were okay too. And ye didst the bible talk continue on in such a way to encourage new mature and intelligent members to apply online at www.warmachineguild.com. |
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Post by sidara2 on Mar 13, 2009 10:32:43 GMT 10
In the beginning there were a couple of casual raid teams, some PVPers and a warlock with a twitch. And the GM didst look upon them all knowingly, because they were very good. Some of the hunters were okay too. And ye didst the bible talk continue on in such a way to encourage new mature and intelligent members to apply online at www.warmachineguild.com. ??!!?? (I'll get me coat!) My suggestion would be something along the lines of: "Elite? Hard-core? Prone to screaming with spittle-flecked invective that the content is too easy? Then War Machine is probably not for you. On the other hand, if you're a mature-ish individual (21+), you play one of the following classes (list classes/specs) and you like to raid in a fun, laid-back atmosphere while still clearing content, then we raid Thu-Sun from 8.30pm ST. Naxx25, EoE25, Sarth25+1D all done regularly. No minimum raid attendance." |
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Post by seveneves on Mar 13, 2009 14:10:02 GMT 10
How about something like: "War Machine. They'll make you laugh, they'll make you cry. There will be more of the latter. Clearing Naxx25, EoE25, Sarth25+1D, Thu-Sun 8:30PM ST. If you're old enough to remember Vanilla Ice, Pogs and He-Man and also enjoy crying, clearing and occasionally laughing, sign up at www.warmachineguild.com" Though, I thought a group cleared Sarth+3D? Whatever, you get the gist. |
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Post by apollor on Mar 13, 2009 15:03:35 GMT 10
To date WM hasn't cleared 3D Sarth... We've had a few wipes on 2D, but there just needs to be a bit more time and effort spent to nail that one. It takes a bit of coordination that to date hasn't fallen into place. I think we're close tho. As for advert messages... I wouldn't waste words on anything that talks about the raids specifically.. just say "all current 10&25man content" It's simple and uses less words. Personally I hat guild adverts that big-note themselves on their achievements or try to make out like their the poo, so take a big wiff. Also, you can leave a lot of the finer details out. If they are interested they will get the details from talking to you or applying. Use of the word 'clearing' says to me "we're not there yet, but working on it". Which isn't accurate. We can and have cleared all the content. Achievements are something else :-) "War Machine - friendly and relaxed raiding. Mature players with a focus on having good times with fellow guildies. Cleared all current 10m and 25m content. All classes/races/hair styles welcome. Currently hoping to find a few more 'XXXXXX'. For more info and to apply - www.warmachineguild.com" The "Currently hoping to find a few more 'xxxxxx'" can be optionally left out, or included when we're seeking specific things.. healers... dps... etc etc. And if possible put some more of those details into some pre-application text so they can get a bit more info before they fill it out.. e.g. We normally raid 8:30pm -> 11:30pm Server Time, Thur/Fri/Sat. We support alts, use a loot list, etc etc etc... |
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Post by baddemon on Mar 21, 2009 16:44:54 GMT 10
I like Sidara's post - I'd rather attract personality than skill. Skills can be taught...
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Post by Nephrael on Mar 22, 2009 10:47:33 GMT 10
That's the guild motto right there -
"War Machine: We're the poo, so take a big whiff."
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Post by ailden on Mar 24, 2009 15:01:08 GMT 10
Hmm id say d) all of the above.
they are all very cool ideas, so why not use all of them at different times, i cant name any guild that does this, maybe be the 1st?
just a suggestion
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Post by drglnc on Apr 1, 2009 14:34:53 GMT 10
I like that idea, Each Officer or whoever is recruiting should have a dif "soap box Speach" to show the diff personalitys of the guild.
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Post by gbsilk on Apr 14, 2009 13:58:30 GMT 10
There is something that I have been wondering about this lately. There seems to have been a influx of much lower level characters applying to join. While obviously everyone is welcome I am wondering if our message is getting across correctly. We aren't a levelling guild and anyone who comes to WM looking for a levelling type guild is probably going to be disappointed. We don't run lowbie instances, do lowbie quests etc. All of our guild events and most of our "chatter" revolves around raiding. So the question is: are we clear enough about what we want from our applicants? Are we clear enough about what our applicants can expect from us? A variety of "spam" is actually a very interesting idea - if we are going to do that though we almost need a tag line. By that I mean one common line (or theme) that is presented in each ad. Anyone have any thoughts on what our tag line could be (other than Apo's "colourful" suggestion)? BTW my spam (awful as it is) is below - FYI I would say our tag line should be "War Machine - THE casual raiding guild". Sure its big noting ourselves but, to be fair, we've got a fair bit behind us to back that up (2+yrs, top end level progression, friendly atmosphere, genuine casual attendence policy and a great rep). "War Machine - THE casual raiding guild. Mature (21+), casual and friendly. 25 man raids Thursday and Saturday. We've cleared everything up to Sarth +3 with a Applications at www.warmachineguild.com" |
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Post by sidara2 on Apr 14, 2009 21:14:59 GMT 10
There is something that I have been wondering about this lately. There seems to have been a influx of much lower level characters applying to join. Well, the recruitment forum thingy doesn't say anywhere: "Only level 80s need apply." Other observations: the post "ABOUT - Who are we?" is dated 2006 and references Burning Crusade as end content. The "sample application" is for a level 70 toon. These may seem petty criticisms, but it's all about providing a fairly polished image. If we want to attract mature, intelligent players, we at least have to seem reasonably mature and intelligent ourselves (they can discover the truth later, muahahaha!) Can I make a suggestion? Scrap ALL the stickies in the Application forum bar one. That one has ALL the information in it. Lock it so no-one can reply. Title it >> READ ME BEFORE APPLYING <<. Have it contain a list of posts with: 1) WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR (active, social players who want to work hard and progress but understand that real life > WoW, etc). 2) HOW TO APPLY. Application format. 3) CODE OF CONDUCT. 4) Anything else that might be relevant. You can possibly have another one with just CURRENTLY RECRUITING and a list of classes/specs for people who might check back regularly. This has the advantage that you can leave the first, larger thread, and just edit this one as circumstances change. Also, and this is no dig at Castus, but we need to at least reply to applicants within, say 1 week of them applying (preferably within 72 hours). It doesn't have to be Castus, it can be any of the officers. Just an acknowledgement of "Thanks for your application, we will get back to you soon.", or "Sorry you don't meet our requirements, good luck finding a guild to suit you.", "Please fix up your application to the format given in the sticky (here)", or whatever. Once you've rejected someone, lock their thread so it's clear. I have wider issues with the forum layout/colour scheme, but that's for another day. |
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Post by gbsilk on Apr 14, 2009 21:41:53 GMT 10
Well alot of guilds in my experience have a website officer who would do a lot of that stuff. Someone may wish to volunteer (read Apo - did I say that out loud?)
One thing we probably should start doing (bags not doing this myself) is responding more or less immediately to people who obviously aren't going to make it (way under age limit, horribly filled out app etc)
Damn I am editing this like a fiend - I don't mean to imply that we only want 80s. Its more a question of if there is something that we are doing that is sending the wrong message. We don't really do the things that a levelling guild does and there really isn't that much a non-80 will get out of our guild (other than our awesome company)
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Post by castus on Apr 14, 2009 22:01:46 GMT 10
I agree that the app board needs a lot of work. I just convinced Raks to give me full permissions to make changes.
I will get to those as reasonably soon as I can.
I realize that there was no dig intended and I am not taking it that way. All of Sid's suggestions are on my list of things to do almost down to the letter.
As far as replying...well, I do my best. I purposely ask them to look me up when they are online. To me, it shows a little extra initiative. I don't reject anyone based solely on the info contained in their app.
Please keep the ideas flowing in! I really appreciate them!
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Post by thoragk on Apr 14, 2009 23:17:14 GMT 10
There are messages (i.e. livyatan.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=strats&action=display&thread=1736 and livyatan.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=strats&action=display&thread=1635) where we try to reiterate to our existing members. Things about how yes, we're casual and don't impose minimum attendance rules - but at the same time expect a degree of maturity and preparation to raiding. I get concerned that words like 'casual' or 'laid-back' get thrown around too easily, without specific reference to, I guess you could say the compromise we ask for being casual. That is, when you do raid, make sure you do it properly. Additionally - and I know a lot of our members dont read these forums  - but perhaps we should encourage those of us who run pugs to keep an eye out for friendly talented players and perhaps drop a little word about us looking for a few new members. Oh - and I'll just drop my glowing praise for Castus as a recruitment officer/interviewer here. Then again, the calibre of people in the guild kind of does that already. |
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Post by seveneves on Apr 15, 2009 0:27:32 GMT 10
Yeah, I agree with thor, we really need to define what we mean by casual. People who have no concept of what a hardcore guild is, will almost certainly have no idea what the 'casual' in casual guild means.
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- but perhaps we should encourage those of us who run pugs to keep an eye out for friendly talented players and perhaps drop a little word about us looking for a few new members.