The Loot List - Suicide Kings and Raid Loot

[Rakshasi]

We use 'Suicide Kings Geo' to keep track of who gets loot and who's next in line.

We've had problems in the past with *too many* in the guild having this mod and the problems from that. If we have more than a few (lets say 2-3 max) using the list, we can logically expect to see multiple versions of the same list. And as there's no inherent date/time attached to the list, there's no quick way to determine who has the latest. Things are bound to get overwritten or lost.

I'd rather make an error on the side of caution than have too many versions of whats supposed to be a basically static list out there.

My proposed solution is as follows... only the Officers have SKG up and running. This keeps us from having lost names or un-updated/over-written lists, but it may cause a couple hiccups.

a) The fewer Officers we have the higher probability that one won't be on to log changes to the list or tell people whos in what position.

This shouldn't be a problem for 25 mans, as an Officer would be present in all normal circumstances. In 10 mans this *may* happen from time to time. Since most of us have what we need from the 10 mans, there's rarely any competition, but in the case there is... the group needs to find a judicious way to decide who gets the loot. You're all mature, I can't see that being much of a problem.

b) Once someone gets loot we need to know who got what (exactly) and what exact order so we may update the list when we come online.

This method, while a tad unwieldy in 10 man situations without an Officer, would safeguard from the 'disappearing guildie' issue, and other random list problems.

I'd open up the rest of the thread for your comments and list updates (in the case that an Officer isn't online).

[Drekkus]

This sounds OK provided that there is an officer online at each raid. It gets difficult and time consuming to have to 1) query the loot list from an officer 2) update the looting to an officer every drop of a boss in Kara. Lately the 10 mans have elected to roll rather than consult the list for speed if nothing else.

I have a question about our policy: Lame example: We down maiden and she drops a piece that only 1 person in the raid can use, the only other alternative is DE. It's a minor upgrade for this person but it's an upgrade and on spec. If this person is given this item does he move down the loot list?

This would seem illogical because if it were me, I'd say "Yes it is an upgrade but if it means I go down the list then I would rather not take it, cause I want the <insert long awaited non tier item> later in Curator that will be needed by more than just 1 person.

So what happens then? we DE the first item and not let the player have it just so they stay ontop of the loot list? or do we give it to them cause they are the only player that can have it, they are on spec and it's an upgrade? Or do we DE it for a measly 20g (or whatever the void price is now)

I've always wondered about that

[Orynx]

If the person wants it, they get it and get moved to the bottom of the list. If they don't want it, it gets DE'ed. Simple.
There's no matter about whether they are the only person in the group that can use it or if it's only a minor upgrade or not. Either they want it or they don't.
To prove that it's that simple is that this has happened to me. There was a drop for a DPS mage, there was only one other mage in the group who already had it, so it fell to me. It was a very minor upgrade for me, but didn't really want to get moved down the list for such a little upgrade when we were in the middle of TK and SSC, so passed. Yeah I knew it was going to get sharded, but still, I didn't want it.
In the end, it comes down to fairness. You have to be fair to everyone, and that's the only way of truely being fair.

[Rakshasi]

/bump

[schoolofdool]

This only applies to 25 man loot right?

[gbsilk]

Will it apply to all raids? all 25 mans or only for progression content?

Also will it be up tonight?

[Rakshasi]

All loot that drops in raid situations. There's a loot list for boss loot, and tiered loot... sometimes a tad confusing cause some boss (Gruul, Curator for example) drop both kinds.

Tiered list is seperate so you dont lose your place for a tiered upgrade because you took a Kara piece recently for example. Offspec items dont use the list, we end up just passing or rolling if need be.

The list is already functioning, any confusion over it is just cause we're using a new version of the mod with added functionality and abstraction for administration purposes. We'll still have a master looter who will check the list, and suicide those getting on-spec loot, just as in Gruuls/Mags of late. The skg admin/looter can spam the current list(s) to the raid/guild/players if necessary =).

[drglnc]

Is there a way to post the standings on here so guildies know where they stand on the list?

[Rakshasi]

The honest answer is I'm just not sure at this point. It was *not* possible on the previous version of the mod, so we'd just spam it to the raid at that time.

I'll look into it. (Please follow up with me, as I get busy)

[gbsilk]

Raks mate - look at the SKG Web mod on curse. In theory it does precisely this

[drglnc]

Cool, if the answer is no then there it is lol, but if its an option it would be cool to be able to check status prior to raids ect... The other option might be a sceen shot of the list from one of the officers, although i think thats probobly more work then its worth.

[baddemon]

Being posted under "Current Loot List" at the moment - and boy is it tedious. We need to figure out something quick. Btw, I posted an explanation on how SK loot actually works, under the Loot List Corrections thread.